Comments on: Opening of Epoxides With Acid https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/ Tue, 17 Jan 2023 16:39:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-603237 Wed, 07 Jul 2021 15:17:20 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-603237 In reply to Anmoldeep Singh.

If the epoxide is protonated first, the acid will destroy the Grignard. It’s possible to accelerate Grignard-type additions to epoxides with Lewis acids (e.g. BF3) that are compatible with strong bases.

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By: Anmoldeep Singh https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-603110 Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:54:42 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-603110 I have seen that if a Grignard reagent is added to the epoxide, its addition takes place at the less substituted carbon, and acidic workup gives alcohol as a product.

But what if the epoxide is protonated first (activated), and Grignard reagent is added later, would it still add at the less substituted carbon, or would addition take place at the more substituted carbon, like that of epoxide opening in acidic medium.

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By: Yves de Montaudouin https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-580481 Sun, 24 May 2020 04:21:45 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-580481 In your magnificient chart summary of all the reaction, you may have forgotten
70: Acidic ring opening of epoxides

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-563897 Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:16:34 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-563897 In reply to jose.

OK, so what’s the strongest base? The epoxide oxygen. So protonate the oxygen, forming a new O-H bond and breaking the H-Cl bond. Now you have a protonated epoxide with a Cl- floating around. Cl- can be a good nucleophile. So what happens next?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-555814 Thu, 30 May 2019 11:28:59 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-555814 In reply to Bo.

Thank you, Bo, for taking the time to write out a long explanation to help a reader.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-555813 Thu, 30 May 2019 11:27:49 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-555813 In reply to JAY.

You’d start with the appropriately substituted alkene and then do an epoxidation reaction. For acrylonitrile you’d need a nucleophilic epoxidizing reagent like H2O2/NaOH.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-555812 Thu, 30 May 2019 11:26:27 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-555812 In reply to Bryan.

The acetylide ion is a basic nucleophile and will attack the least substituted carbon in SN2 fashion. The water is added after the reaction is over to quench the alkoxide anion.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-555811 Thu, 30 May 2019 11:25:15 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-555811 In reply to Andy.

Generally not. LiBH4 can do it.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-555810 Thu, 30 May 2019 11:24:32 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-555810 In reply to David.

Amines are at least 10 orders of magnitude more basic than epoxides, so any acid added to the system will protonate the amine, not the epoxide. Protonating the amine makes it into an ammonium salt, which is non-nucleophilic. That’s why the reaction slows down. Acid slows down the rate of addition of Grignards to epoxides too.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2015/02/02/opening-of-epoxides-with-acid/#comment-554866 Tue, 07 May 2019 19:04:55 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8715#comment-554866 In reply to Kumar.

No, they wouldn’t be carbocation rearrangements, in acidic opening of epoxides, because there likely won’t be a free carbocation.

However, there are pinacol-related rearrangements that can occur with epoxides when acid is added in the absence of nucleophiles, such as the epoxide-aldehyde rearrangement.

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