Comments on: Stereochemistry of the Diels-Alder Reaction https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/ Mon, 06 Feb 2023 20:48:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-623204 Wed, 23 Mar 2022 04:25:03 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-623204 In reply to Rohan K.

Thank you Rohan, hope you find it useful. James

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By: Rohan K https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-623176 Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:30:25 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-623176 I don’t think I have come across a more beautifully designed website- blows any textbook out of the water. Thanks a ton!

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By: Margo https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-598682 Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:50:26 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-598682 Yes I understand, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-598632 Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:39:00 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-598632 In reply to Margo.

The Diels-Alder will *always* make a new six-membered ring, but depending on your starting materials, other size rings might get made in the process
if you count around the perimeter.

One case is when you do an intramolecular diels alder reaction, where a ring larger than 6 will be created in addition to the new 6 membered ring. https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2019/12/06/the-intramolecular-diels-alder-reaction/

A Diels Alder between a cyclic diene and a cyclic dienophile will likewise form a new 6-membered ring, but if you count *all* the atoms around the perimeter (i.e. around the perimeter of both rings) then yes, you will have a cyclic structure of greater than 6. If you count around the ring in decalin (the structure formed by fusing 2 6-membered rings) you get 10 carbons; I’d personally call this a “bicycle” or bicylic structure, not a 10-membered ring, personally, but hopefully you get the idea

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By: Margo https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-598515 Sun, 07 Mar 2021 21:46:09 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-598515 What if both the diene and dienophile are cyclic structures? My teacher says that you can end up with a ring having more than 6 carbons is this correct?

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By: Mat https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-589026 Fri, 04 Dec 2020 22:07:47 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-589026 This was the simply put explination I needed. Thank you!

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-582089 Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:20:22 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-582089 In reply to DaJha.

Glad you found it helpful!

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By: DaJha https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-582041 Wed, 08 Jul 2020 18:45:36 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-582041 This explanation was awesome and very helpful. After sitting through the lecture and then looking at the text book, this website helped more than both of those combined. Thank you!

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-557852 Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:54:25 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-557852 In reply to anon.

The methoxy would end up on the same side of the new six membered ring as the hydrogen on the “outside” position. If both the diene and dienophile have substituents, then you’ll likely form endo and exo diastereomers. See https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2018/02/09/endo-exo-diels-alder-telling-them-apart/

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By: anon https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/11/13/stereochemistry-of-the-diels-alder-reaction/#comment-557746 Tue, 09 Jul 2019 04:54:39 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=11156#comment-557746 What would happen with stereochemistry if there was a diene with only one of the carbons substituted, such as a methoxy group on carbon one?

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