Comments on: Antiaromatic Compounds and Antiaromaticity https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/ Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:19:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-685974 Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:19:12 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-685974 In reply to Daydreamer.

It’s generally a good assumption that if a molecule is cyclic, has 6 pi electrons, and is conjugated all around the ring, that it will arrange itself to be flat.
Some antiaromatic compounds with 4- and 5- membered rings can’t really distort themselves out of flatness (too much ring strain!) , but larger ones (like cyclooctatetraene) can, and for that reason, cyclooctatetraene is considered to be “non aromatic” instead of antiaromatic.

]]>
By: Daydreamer https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-685916 Mon, 26 Feb 2024 00:40:07 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-685916 How do we that if a compund is flat or not?

]]>
By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-604640 Sat, 21 Aug 2021 14:20:33 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-604640 In reply to Gernot.

That would be an interesting species to try to make. 6-electron nitrogen species are extremely unstable, but that one might have a shot. Do you know if anyone has tried making it?

]]>
By: Gernot https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-604547 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:16:04 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-604547 sorry, of course the azirinium cation!

]]>
By: Gernot https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-604546 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:13:20 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-604546 Interestingly, the 2H-Azirine is actually an aromatic compound! (flat, 2 pi electrons, cyclic, conjugated)

]]>
By: Bree https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-589194 Tue, 08 Dec 2020 20:43:39 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-589194 One of the rings is aromatic only, the one with the three double bonds, the other ring as it is not conjugated or flat is simply non aromatic. Even if only one ring in a poly cyclic compound is aromatic the entire thing is considered aromatic.

]]>
By: DAYA NIDHI SHARMA https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-588529 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 20:06:54 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-588529 In my aromatic compounds test , In a question numbers of aromatic compounds are asked . In that dialin was considered as aromatic compound (in jee adv 2017 ) . Why they considered it as aromatic if this has not all atoms conjugated and not obey huckels rule also ?

]]>
By: Yeny https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-581259 Tue, 16 Jun 2020 20:28:39 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-581259 thank you for all this info!! I have a question about cyclobutadiene though, can we say it’s anti-huckel? and the formula 4n, does n represent the number of double bonds? or the number of pi bonds only? just a little confused on that part

]]>
By: Paul Wenthold https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-574563 Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:27:28 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-574563 Hey, where’d you come up with the value of 18 kcal/mol for the energy difference between planar and tub shaped COT? If I remember right, the bond-alternated structure of planar COT is more like 12 kcal/mol above the tub. The octagonal structure is about 2 kcal/mol higher than that.

These values can be deduced based on the old Paquette kinetics measurements for inversion and bond-shifting, or more directly from the photoelectron spectroscopy.

]]>
By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/03/27/antiaromaticity/#comment-547606 Wed, 13 Feb 2019 00:53:54 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10600#comment-547606 In reply to franky.

Well, one way would be to make a model. Models are fairly reliable for determining such things. If you make a model of cyclooctatetraene you will see that it’s pretty floppy and can form a tub shape quite easily.
As for other examples… well, here’s one: “The Great Escape” From Antiaromaticity… https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja0291991

]]>