Comments on: Alkylation of Amines (Sucks!) https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/05/26/amine-alkylation/ Thu, 19 Jan 2023 20:13:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Vignesh https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/05/26/amine-alkylation/#comment-646399 Thu, 19 Jan 2023 20:13:51 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10801#comment-646399 Dear Dr Ashenhurst,

I was wondering whether the link you added about why tertiary amines are less basic than secondary amines paints a full picture regarding the formation of a quaternary ammonium salt. Whereas one could rightly make the argument that triethylamine is slightly less basic than diethylamine in an aqueous medium, the SN2 reaction could be performed using a polar solvent that isn’t water, right? So couldn’t the comparitively more polar nature of the pentacoordinate transition state and ionic nature of the subsequent salt be stabilised in a sufficiently polar solvent that isn’t water? I ask this because I was taught in my second year of undergrad that the rate of reaction of n-Pr3N + MeI (SN2) could be increased by increasing the polarity of the solvent used due to the reason the increased polarity of the TS compared to the reactants.

Kind regards,
Vignesh

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/05/26/amine-alkylation/#comment-638896 Sun, 25 Sep 2022 01:57:20 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10801#comment-638896 In reply to Shub.

Werner,  J. Chem. Soc. 1918, p. 899 tried a 16:1 ratio of NH3 to ethylamine and got 34% yield of the amine. Maybe if you used a 50:1 or 100:1 ratio of NH3 to alkyl halide, then it would have a higher yield. But that’s starting to get to be a fairly impractical process.

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By: Shub https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/05/26/amine-alkylation/#comment-638895 Sun, 25 Sep 2022 01:43:21 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10801#comment-638895 This [site](https://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/haloalkanes/nh3.html) says primary amine to be the major product in excess of ammonia. Is it wrong?

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By: Dheeraj https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/05/26/amine-alkylation/#comment-582437 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:19:25 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10801#comment-582437 Thank you very much, this is the only article through which I understood the above reaction.

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By: Nirdesh Singh https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/05/26/amine-alkylation/#comment-513494 Mon, 29 May 2017 18:11:05 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10801#comment-513494 Dr.James greetings from my side.I have read lot of articles by you on different topics of organic chemistry and i really appreciate the way you make the students understand organic chemistry like a breeze.
I also refer your blogs to my students when they are stuck with some really difficult topics like complex mechanisms of the reactions and other topics.
Thanks

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