Comments on: Reductive Amination https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/ Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:44:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Classics in Organic Chemistry, Part XXVII | musings on music and life https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-673496 Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:55:53 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-673496 […] One of the key concepts students often struggle with when learning organic chemistry is understanding how different functional groups react with each other. Knowing which groups are inert to each other and the conditions under which transformations can be induced is second nature to experienced chemists, but this intuition takes time to develop. For instance, amines and carboxylic acids will generally react by an acid-base reaction, resulting in protonation of the amine. However, amines and aldehydes will react rather quickly. These will give imines, and this reaction can be utilized to synthesize more substituted amines from less-substituted ones (this process is called reductive amination). […]

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-615322 Tue, 07 Dec 2021 18:51:42 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-615322 In reply to tommaso compagnucci.

It could form the enamine, but in the presence of acid, there will be equilibrium between the enamine and the iminium. So long as the iminium is formed reduction can occur.

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By: tommaso compagnucci https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-614968 Thu, 02 Dec 2021 07:55:18 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-614968 thank you for making organic chemistry accessible and understandable, your work is impressive.
Just a question: in presence of alpha-H in the carbonyl partner, does the reaction passes through the enamine intermediate or is it favorite the tautomerization to the iminium ion always? In the first case, is still NaBH3CN or similar the best reductive agent?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-569417 Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:51:07 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-569417 In reply to Joseph Bequette.

Thank you. I”m making a note to research this step and correct.

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By: Joseph Bequette https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-569246 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 03:49:06 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-569246 I think this makes more sense as well, the acid “serves to rapidly protonate the oxygen after addition..” instead of protonating the carbonyl ahead of time. But, why does the mechanism appear this way in so many texts? Surely, the authors know the drastic pKa differences of a carbonyl oxygen and an amine (which is a base!). I wonder if in certain solvents the carbonyl actually is preferentially protonated? I use dichloromethane as the solvent for this reaction and it works twice as fast with a little acetic acid present. In any case, reaction mechanisms tend to be just good guesses with lots of contradictions if examined too closely.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-552041 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 18:21:46 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-552041 In reply to Josh Underwood.

Glad it was useful to you Josh, cheers!

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-552040 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 18:21:36 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-552040 In reply to taro.

The electrophile is the carbon, correct? And the more partial positive charge there is on that carbon, the better an electrophile it is, correct? Now draw the resonance form for the imine where you move the pair of electrons in the C-N pi bond to the nitrogen. Next, draw the conjugate acid (iminium) and do the same. Which resonance form do you think will be more stable between the two? Therein lies your answer.
Bottom line, protonation of the nitrogen results in a greater contribution from the resonance form where there is a positive charge on the carbon, and it’s more electrophilic.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-552039 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 18:13:33 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-552039 In reply to Mat.

I would look it up in the Encyclopedia of Reagents for Organic Synthesis. The original reference I see is Borch. R, F. et. al. JACS, 1971, 93, 2897. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/ja00741a013

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-552038 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 18:07:16 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-552038 In reply to Britney.

Hey Britney – you want to use excess to make sure that the amine has a chance to react with all of the aldehyde/ketone first, before adding your hydride source. Once the hydride source is added any aldehyde/ketone that remains will be reduced to an alcohol rendering it useless for the process.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/09/01/reductive-amination/#comment-552037 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 18:03:26 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10918#comment-552037 In reply to EBB.

Thanks for this, I’m adding it to my correction queue! Although I may be mistaken, I see pKa’s of protonated carbonyls at about -2 or so. Still, that’s about 15 orders of magnitude to traverse, so you’re correct on this point.

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