Comments on: In Summary: Free Radicals https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/ Fri, 10 Feb 2023 03:27:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-647732 Fri, 10 Feb 2023 03:27:29 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-647732 In reply to A.

Fixed – thank you very much

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By: A https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-647632 Wed, 08 Feb 2023 17:12:30 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-647632 Under point 5 “What’s interesting is that the actual ratio of 2-chloropropane to 1-chloropropane is 45:55!”
Should be 1-chloropropane to 2-chloropropane, according to the other post about selectivity.
Thanks to this post series, I don’t think I’ll ever forget the free radical mechanism now.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-646621 Mon, 23 Jan 2023 16:02:32 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-646621 In reply to Ilya.

There’s nothing to say that they *can’t*, specifically, although with alkenes, the precursors of bromine and chlorine radicals also tend to add as electrophiles to double bonds (e.g. forming bromonium and chloronium ions) which would not be good for polymerization. Peroxides don’t tend to have these cationic pathways.

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By: Ilya https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-646351 Wed, 18 Jan 2023 15:31:46 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-646351 Hi James, I was wondering why free radicals of bromine or chlorine do not cause polymerization like peroxides?

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By: Vamsi https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-597246 Fri, 29 Jan 2021 04:41:53 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-597246 Under point 3, factors that destabilize the free radical you have mentioned that free radicals next to electron withdrawing groups are less stable right? There you have also mentioned than cyanide CN cannot donate an electron. Could you explain why can’t it? I dont see it donating electrons through its lone pair as in amines or hydroxides but can’t it do so through conjugation of its pi electrons as , for instance, phenyl does?
(p.s The Font is super satisfying)

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-563871 Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:34:24 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-563871 In reply to Ibrahim.

The reaction will favor breaking of C-H over C-Cl bonds because the resulting H-Cl bond (103 kcal/mol) is stronger than the resulting O-Cl bond (65 kcal/mol) . The O-Cl bond is quite weak due to repulsion between the lone pairs. The driving force for a radical breaking C-Cl is not strong enough.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-556883 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 03:43:38 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-556883 In reply to Ryan.

I don’t know how to answer your question directly. If you are asking, “what determines what product will be formed”, the answer lies in comparing the activation energies for the various competing rate-determining steps.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-556882 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 03:40:57 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-556882 In reply to Marie.

It’s worth recalling that atomic carbon, C , has four valence electrons, four empty places in its octet, and is neutral.
Atomic fluorine, F• , has seven electrons, one electron away from a full octet, and is also neutral.
Just because a species is reactive and has a high electron affinity does not mean that it has to be charged.
For proof, go to the formal charge formula for the methyl radical, H3C• . If carbon has 4 electrons to itself, it is neutral. Here it has one electron to itself (the radical) and has a 50% share in the six bonding electrons of the C-H bonds, (3) giving a total of 4. If it loses the electron it becomes the methyl cation, CH3(+). If it gains an electron it becomes the methyl anion, CH3(-).

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-551681 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:40:29 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-551681 In reply to Md Munayem Al-Mamun.

1° is a primary free radial where the carbon bearing the radical is attached to one other carbon. 2° is a secondary free radical where the carbon bearing the radical is attached to two other carbons.

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By: Ibrahim https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/12/09/in-summary-free-radicals/#comment-537901 Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:36:33 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7801#comment-537901 Why does the radicals favor the C-H bond over the C-Cl bond that formed recently? Assuming you have another solution where only you have CCl4 compound, would radicals such as hydroxel radicals be able to break C-Cl bonds or not? if so, which C-halogen are more sensitive to hydroxel radical attacks C-Cl, C-Br or C-I??

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